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Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. - Ecclesiastes 12:13-14............. Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. - Acts 17:11

Sunday, June 18, 2006

The Authority of God's Word: Is the Scripture alone sufficient as a source of truth and authority?

This is the second of 2 posts, in which I have attempted to address two important questions when considering the authority of the Bible.

1. What is meant by the phrase "The Bible is the inspired and infallible Word of God?"

2. Is the Scripture alone sufficient as a source of truth and authority?

"The true treasure of the church is the Holy gospel of the glory and the grace of God." Dr Martin Luther.

Psalm 119:33-37
"Teach me, O LORD, to follow your decrees; then I will keep them to the end.
Give me understanding, and I will keep your law and obey it with all my heart.
Direct me in the path of your commands, for there I find delight.
Turn my heart toward your statutes and not toward selfish gain.
Turn my eyes away from worthless things; preserve my life according to your word."

By believing "Scripture alone is sufficient as a source of truth and authority," Christians submit to Scripture as the final measure of God's revealed Truth. This submission is based upon the belief that:

1. The Bible is the inspired and infallible Word of God.

2. The revealed Word of God in the Bible is complete and needs no addition.

There are several levels of God's revelation of Himself to mankind.

Firstly is a general revelation, that God exists and that He is powerful. This is revealed to all mankind through all of Creation (that is the natural universe and everything in it) as seen in Psalm 19:1 and Romans 1:18-20, the underlying rule of a universal 'right and wrong' know as a human conscience as seen in Romans 2:14-15, and the provision of mankind's most basic needs of nourishment and joy as seen in Acts 14:15-17. This level of revelation does not give much information but is available to all people at all times, whenever we see the wonder of creation, just know and can't explain why something is 'right' or 'wrong', or the sun again rises and rain again falls to provide life on this planet it is evidence of God.

Secondly is the special, inspired revelation of God's laws and plan for humanity and indeed all of creation through His inspired Words the Scripture. This is not a general revealtion, but a very specific one. From Scripture we learn more about the character of God, and also only selcted men were inspired to write Scripture. Scripture gives account of all things necessary for Crhistianity, it begins with God's Creation of the Universe, and ends with God's final judgment of that Creation. Scripture is God's message to mankind of His design plan. From Scripture we are to teach, have the basis for correction and all training in righteousness, in accordance with 2 Timothy 3:16-17. The Scripture also records God's incarnation as Jesus Christ, the most powerful of the revelations of God to Humanity. The Scripture is completed and nothing more will be added to or taken away from Scripture in accordance with Matthew 5:18 and Revelation 22:18-19.

Thirdly is the incarnate revelation of who God is, and His plan for the salvation of His people. Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Son of God, is God made flesh, revealed to mankind so that we can now know Him personally, as He intended when He created Adam in the Garden of Eden. Through Jesus' life, and subsequent death, we have the example of a perfect and sinless life, which Christians are to aspire to (although can never attain). Also God's redemptive work of sacrifice on the Cross where Jesus, who was sinless, died for the sins of many. Jesus' life is the Gospel message which is foretold in the Old Testament, as Jesus Himself said in John 5:39-40 and revealed through the New Testament, and summised in 1 Corinthians 15:2-4.

Finally is the revelation of the Holy Spirit within each believer, which affirms the truth of the Scripture, as seen in John 16:13-14. The Gospel of Jesus and salvation through Grace alone does not make sense to earthly wisdom, that nothing is ever for free. Through the Holy Spirit however, this truth is revealed, that Grace and Salvation are in fact free as Ephesians 2:8 tells us, and by the Holy Spirit openeing our 'eyes' is how Christians may believe (1 Corinthians 2:9-11). The Holy Spirit will never contradict Scripture and neither will Scripture contradict the Holy Spirit, which is also called the Spirit of Truth. This revelation of the Holy Spirit, that the Bible and Gospel of Jesus is truth and the only way to redemption for sin and entry to Heaven, will not suppliment or add to scripture in any way. Simply, it will reveal that the Scipture is true, not that Scripture is incomplete and needs any supplimetary material, doctorines or new revelations. All Christian doctorines and teachings are found within the Bible, and if found contrary to Scripture, the belief is to be rejected.

Although all Christians claim to believe that The Scripture is the Word of God, some do not submit to the authority of Scripture.

Personal revelations of Truth: Some Christians have the belief that the Spirit will reveal all truth and that in fact the Spirit is the final measure of Truth. In essence, that Scripture is to be tested by the Spirit. This is a belief that Christians are not to live according to the Scripture but according to the Spirit. They claim that the Spirit which dwells within Christian's will either support Scripture, or the Scripture is meaningless. If this were true, then the Spirit would be a higher authority than the Scripture and thus Scripture would not be infallable, since it must be validated by another, higher source of truth.

Who is to say then, where the Bible is truthful and where is it not? The modern answer is that "the Holy Spirit will guide us" but this leads to nothing more than relativism, for there is no longer an exterior test of truth. Now each person would require a personal revelation of truth and who would be correct? Since there would be no standard test for each person's revelation of truth, all must be considered true. This would demote truth from being an absolute, to being relative to one's own circumstance and whim.

This in turn leads into pluralism, as now we rely upon individual, spiritual revelations for truth, by which measure can each individuals claim be tested? There would be no way to determine which is wrong so all spiritual revelations would then be true. Gautama Buddha who gained spiritual enlightenment while sitting under a Bodhi tree, after he vowed never to arise until he had found the Truth; Joseph Smith Jr. who recieved the Golden Plates from Moroni, who Mormons believe is a resurected prophet who became an angel; and Mohhamed who claimed to have a vision of the angel Gabriel, would all be correct, since they were 'truths' derived from spiritual revelations.

2 Peter 1: 20-21 says, “Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” Scripture is neither the will of man nor interpretation of man. Scripture was written by men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the author of the Scriptures. The Scriptures are the Word of God. Therefore, what the Holy Spirit reveals to Christians will NEVER contradict what the Scriptures teach. God cannot lie (Hebrews 6:18) and thus can’t contradict Himself.

This does not mean that the Spiritual Gifts have ended. Far from it, according to 1 Corinthians 12:1-11, the Holy Spirit will still, heal and perform other miraculous signs, grant wisdom, provide Faith, allow prophecy, discernment, speaking in tounges and interpreting them. The most miraculous gift of the Spirit though is a new and clean heart which accompanies the gifts of Salvation and Faith. What the Spirit will not do however, is give new, superior revelations to Scripture that are not already found in the Scriptures. Even though there may and will be Spiritual gifts and miraculous signs and wonders every spirit must be tested to see if it is from God. In fact, 1 John 4:1-3 tells us, “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world...you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.” Christ, is another title of Jesus which indicates He is the Christ or the Messiah foretold dof in the Old Testament. Jesus told us in John 5:39, that the Scriptures "testify about me." Therefore to test if a spirit exalts Jesus as the Messiah, it should be tested against a medium which already does, the Scripture. If any spiritual revelation contradicts the Bible, then it is a false spirit. The Bible is the authority because it is the Word of God concening His revelation of Himself to humanity.

Church Tradition: The Catholic Church in particular teaches the infallibility of the Pope and that Church tradition is to be considered equal to Scripture in terms of authority. This again lessens the authority of Scripture as Church tradition then becomes the primary measure of truth. If the Tradition were to contradict Scripture, then Scripture would be considered wrong.

In many cases this obedience of Church tradition will not lead away from Scriptural truth. With tradition though, there also needs to be a test of righteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 says "So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings [or traditions] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter." In Matthew 15:1-9 however, Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for holding to tradition when it meant breaking the Word of God saying "...you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men." Jesus is saying here that when conflicting, a righteous person will follow the Word of God rather than any conflicting Church tradition. As John Wesley stated in the 18th century, "The Church is to be judged by the Scriptures, not the Scriptures by the Church." Scripture is to be the measure of Truth, not Church traditions.

Replacing Scripture with the latest trends: Another, and possibly most serious of the threats to Scriptural authority in the Church is the tendancy of some 'Culturally relevant' churches replacing Scripture all together. This is a serious problem. Pastors who rely on a culturally relevant message rather than Scriptural truth to try to explain God and Christianity. Jesus cirtainly spoke in parables, but He refered to Scripture in His teachings more often. Using multimedia presentations, allegories from current films and music artists or using ever changing pop-psychology in sermons can be helpful, but it should stay in the proper proportion. Scripture and the Word of God needs to remain the focus of Christian teaching and preaching, not the latest theory about 'how to make friends and influence people'. Even plain old unbiblical teachings such as a Gospel of Prosperity instead of Christ is damaging and replaceing Scripture in some churches. God is not simply a Heavenly 'blessing-machine' (think vending machines), where we pray like this and He responds with those blessings. Job suffered the loss of everything including his family, Jonah suffered in the belly of a whale, Joseph was sold into slavery, Sampson was tortured and imprisoned, most of the Apostles were martyred for their faith in Jesus, Jesus was ignored, taunted, challenged, despised, beaten, tortured, abused and murdered. Is there a common thread here? Christianity is about taking up our cross to follow Him, dieing to ourselves and submitting totally to His will in our lives. About seeking the Kingdom of Heaven, not getting a free ride and being blessed with wealth here. God may chose to bless some Christians with material wealth, indeed He cirtainly does in some cases. This does not equate to every Christian being a millionaire though. Our Focus needs to be on the Giver, not the gifts, on the Word of God, not the latest motivational theories of men.

That the Scriptures are only reliable in matters of morality: Another blatant attack upon Scriptural authority is the claim of many secular, and atheistic, scientists and some Christians that Science and Religion never overlap, that Darwinian Evolution is compatable with Biblical Christianity. That is, that Science deals with the "facts of the real world" and religion deals with ethics, morals, and human values. However, The Ressurection of Jesus is an essectian Christian 'value', but it must also be a fact of history, Christ must actually HAVE been ressurected, to have any importance.

This error is called Theistic Evolution, and is a belief that God used Evolution over billions of years in creation, rather than a six day time frame. This however is an attack on Christianity at the very core. For if God used evolution, then there was billions of years of decay, disease, pain and death in God's creation. But "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good..." (Genesis 1:31) whereas death is an intruder, the "...last enemy..." (1 Corinthians 15:26) God did not introduce death into His very good creation, death was a result of Adams sin (Romans 5:12-19). Christianity is based upon the Fact that "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23) That death is a result of Sin and that Jesus defeated Death to pay for the sins of His Children. If Death came before sin, a requirement of evolution, then it could not be a result of sin. "Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous." (Romans 5:18-19)

It is important to understand that the Bible is not a textbook on science, or history, or geography. The Bible is not even a textbook on theology. However, whatever the Bible says about any of these things is God's Word. God's Word is correct and no one will ever be deceived or led into error by believing what the Scripture says.

Is the Scripture alone sufficient as a source of truth and authority?

2 Timothy 3:14-17 - "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

Yes, the Scripture is a sufficient source of truth and authority. All scripture is God’s word. It is God’s will. What greater authority could there be? All scripture is useful, we are to teach with it, rebuke with it, correct according to it, be trained by it. By the Scripture we become wise for salvation. Ephesians 2:8 teaches that "it is by grace you have been saved, through faith" and Romans 10:17 teaches that "faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ." Scripture thoroughly equips Christians for every good work.

Christians don’t need any personal revelation or “word of knowledge” to know God’s will. The Bible and its teaching will thoroughly or completely equip Christians for each and every good work. Christians don't need to rely on Church tradition to interpret Scripture for them. Fellowship with other Christians is vital for Christian growth, but we are to each search the Scriptures and hold each other accoutable to the Truth found in the Word of God. The Bible is a Christian's guide book, instruction manual, and the sufficient source for doctrine. Psalms 119:105 says, “Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path.”

The cry of the Reformation was Sola Scriptura, that the Scripture Alone is to be the authority over believers. Scripture is the Word of God and since God is Truth and God is all-powerful, there can be no better measure of truth and authority than God's Word.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 - "Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil."

1 Corinthians 15:2-4 - "By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures..."

Further reading:
Biblical Authority: The Critical Issue for the Body of Christ by James T. Draper & Kenneth Keathley.

The Authority of God's Word: Is the Bible the inspired and infallible Word of God? and Where did the Bible come from? by the Modern Day Magi.

Looking for Jesus is Genesis: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, by T A Blankenship at Fire and Hammer.

19 Comments:

  • At 6/22/2006 01:08:00 am, Blogger Karuna said…

    Wow, this is a wonderful post, truly justifying what the Bible must stand for in a believer's life.

    Thank you.

     
  • At 6/22/2006 11:51:00 am, Blogger Johnnie Burgess said…

    Great post. We have to put the Word before traditon. The Jews during the time of Jesus but their traditons above the Word.

     
  • At 6/24/2006 12:17:00 pm, Blogger Ben Eames said…

    MDM, personally I do not agree with your main argument in this post. I have heard these points before, and to me it looks like they actually cancel themselves out.

    1. The Bible is infallible and inerrant.
    2. The Bible is the ultimate authority on these matters (because it is God's word).

    Let's apply the second point to the first. It is interesting to note that the Bible itself never claims to be infallible or inerrant. If the Bible is the ultimate authority on this matter, than we are making a claim that God does not even make himself. Hence, we are adding to the Bible.

    This happens when we treat the Bible like a textbook. The textbook is the symbol in our scientific age of ultimate authority and fact, so we reason that the Bible must at least match up to these criteria.

    But facts and figures and science are not the end of all reality. They are only a small piece of life as we know it, which also includes art, music, dreams, fantasy, stories - all areas which lose their impact if viewed purely scientifically.

    The Bible goes far beyond just facts and science. It is not a textbook. It is a collection of writings and stories which TELL US ABOUT LIFE AND REALITY - and most importantly, about God and his relationship with humans.

    The Bible is true and good and perfect, but not in the same way as a textbook is perfect. It loses its power if we view it just as 'free from errors.' There is much more to it than that.

     
  • At 6/24/2006 02:14:00 pm, Blogger TheDen said…

    Hey MDM,

    How's it going? I hope your studies are going well. I've been on a bit of a blogging break lately although I've been commenting on another site which has led into some really good dialogue.

    That was a really good post and although I obviously wouldn't agree with your conclusion, I understand your thinking.

    A couple points about the Catholic perspective...

    The Catholic Church does not hold Papal infallibility, Sacred Tradition and Scripture as equal. Papal infallibility is not equal to the other two. The three foundations of the Catholic Church are:

    1. Scripture
    2. Sacred Tradition
    3. Magisterium

    You covered #1 very well. #2 was not covered as well. When the Catholic Church talks about Tradition, they mean the Sacred Tradition (with a Capital "T") that was handed down from the Apostles. This Tradition does not change...or rather it CANNOT change and is as important as Scripture.

    Why? Because it precedes the Bible.

    The Catholic Church calls Tradition the "Deposit of Faith" and it is the teachings of the Apostles that was handed down orally (from 2 Thessalonians 2:15). Actually, from 2 Thessalonians, Scripture alone cannot be sufficient as Paul mentions that there were oral statements. This is what the Church deems as Tradition. Sacred Tradition ended when the last apostle (John) died. From that point on, it was sealed and cannot change and it does not conflict with Scripture but rather it complements it.

    The Magisterium of the Church are the Bishops who are in union with the Pope who have the responsibility of teaching the faith and the authority to interpret the Scripture and Tradition (for the Catholic Church).

    I know that other denominations would have a problem with the Church not allowing it's members to interpret Scripture however, as you mentioned, individuals interpreting Scriptures can lead to some gross errors (like PB's denial of the Trinity). Additionally, there have been a lot of great Protestant minds that different Protestants use as authority (like Calvin or Spurgeon, etc.) Accepting the Catholic viewpoint would be similar to accepting the Calvinist viewpoint in that you study what the Catholic interpretation is and you accept it.

    One final point, If Scripture is the Source of Truth, then that conflicts with Scripture which says that the Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Timothy 3:15)

    There aren't many points we disagree on, MDM, but I think this is one of them. Again, I don't want to argue. Just want to state the Catholic Church's view.

    Hope you're doing well and I look forward to hearing from you in the future.

    Take care,

     
  • At 6/24/2006 02:53:00 pm, Blogger Ben Eames said…

    Also, I agree with your assessment of culture and tradition, however I think there need to be some clarifications....

    Firstly, it needs to be said that it is impossible to divorce our theology from our traditions. All of the beliefs we hold at the moment are a product - whether directly or indirectly - of our traditions. It just depends how you look at it. For example, the claim that "The Bible is infallible" comes from the traditions set in place by Luther and Calvin. This claim backs up their enforcement of "sola scriptura" - theology formulated from the Bible plus nothing. We now see this is quite a difficult claim to live out. Actually, the reformers built their theology using the Bible plus reason, MINUS anything to do with images and icons (as a rejection of the catholic church). Only now are we beginning to bring back these 'unimportant' things - art, poetry, symbols, contemplative spirituality. Traditions - protestant AND catholic - are a vital part of our spirituality and theology, and it is impossible to live apart from them.

    Secondly, I agree with MDMs assessment of culture, in that the desire to be culturally relevant must never come before the message of God. This is a serious problem in our Western churches, and it is crucial that we understand it. We cannot change the message of God to fit the methods we want to use.

    But we cannot dismiss culture entirely. The task of Christians is still to speak the message of God to people in a language they can understand. If the language of the people is art, music, movies photography, we need to speak the message using art, music, movies and photography. If people don't care about facts and science anymore, and that is the only language we speak in, then the message of God is not going to be understood.

    I believe that the language of the people has indeed changed, and we need to start using these new methods more and more effectively. Of course, we must still be effective at speaking the old language as well, because it is still the first language for some (mostly older) people.

     
  • At 6/24/2006 07:49:00 pm, Blogger Modern Day Magi said…

    ben,
    firstly, thanks for the comments.

    Perhaps you should read my post The Authority of God's Word: Is the Bible the inspired and infallible Word of God? that might clear a few things up about where my claim that the Bible is inerrant comes from. Also the Bible does claim many times to be the Word of God and Titus 1:1-3 tells us that God does not lie. I also addressed the Text book idea in that poat as well.

    The Scripture has been considered the Word of God and infallible since long before The Reformers.

    Theden,
    Thanks again for clarification about Cathololcism. I was using the Catholic church as an example because there are many clear and longstanding traditions within the Catholic Church, Protestantism too has traditions and they all need to align with the Word of God or be abandoned. I was not suggesting that all tradition is wrong, "In many cases this obedience of Church tradition will not lead away from Scriptural truth. With tradition though, there also needs to be a test of righteousness." However, I did make the point, and still stand by, it that if a tradition or Tradition is ever found to be contrary to Scripture then the Word of God takes superiority.

    It is my belief that Scripture, is the Word of God, and is complete and since God does not lie, Scripture is also without error.

    Anthing in our christian life should be in submission to God. In fact our whole life should be in submission to God. His Word is sufficient to teach about all areas of ethical and Christian life. Anything the Bible teaches is correct and will not lead into error.

    As always, thanks for you input guys.

    MDM

     
  • At 6/30/2006 07:13:00 am, Blogger Modern Day Magi said…

    mummyannette,
    The Bible is true in all that it says, and so any scientifically related subjects the Bible touches on are true also. But by saying the Bible is not a textbook is admitting that the Bible is not a sourcebook for Science, or History, or Geography. You wil never be able to study all of science from the Bible.

    Anything the Bible says is true so it will never contradicted by accurate science but the Bible will not teach about Nuclear Physics, Microbiology, advanced Chemistry etc.

    Anything that is true will not contradict the bible but the Bible is not an exhaustive source on many subjects although it touches on almost everything, and cirtainly everything needed for Christian living and authority.

    MDM

     
  • At 7/01/2006 03:24:00 pm, Blogger Ben Eames said…

    As I see it, this discussion hangs on our perception of the Bible. What is God's intention in putting together the Bible? What is its purpose? There are 2 major responses....

    1. To tell us what is 'true' regarding God, the world and humanity.
    2. To tell us the story of God's interaction with humanity.

    It is critical which way we see this discussion. (1) is like a textbook, thus any statements we find in the Bible must be true.... Personally, I think (2) is more accurate, that the Bible is more the story of God, brilliantly told in such a way that it tells us a great deal about God, humanity and the world. This may not sound like much of a distinction, but it is really quite important. Thus, 2 Tim 3:16.

    Stories often tell us much more than statements of fact do, much like a picture tells a thousand words. We can best see what God is like by watching what he does.

     
  • At 7/03/2006 08:44:00 am, Blogger Modern Day Magi said…

    It cirtainly is our perception of the Bible which is in question.

    Was the Creation simply a story to set up God's position of authority or did it actually happen?

    Did Abraham actually lay his son on the alter ready to sacrifice him, or is this just a folk tale to demonstrate obedience and faith?

    Was Mary a virgin, or is there only some alegorical value to this story?

    Did Jesus die on the cross and then was He ressurected to conquor death, or is this just another fabricated tale for some moral benefit?

    The Bible is the Word of God. The Bible is true. The Bible contains the Gospel message of Jesus. None of the things in the bible have any importance if they did not actually happen.

    If Adam did not sin, then sin has not entered the world and we don't need a saviour.

    If God did not send His Son, Jesus to die for sin, then we cannot have eternal life with Him.

    It is vital that we believe and know that the Bible is the Word of God and that the Bible is true. It follows that if the Bible is God's word and the Bible is true, then it also must be the highest authority for Christians to submit to. If there is a higher authority that God, then we are in the wrong religion.

    The three most important thing when interpreting the Bible after we understand that it is true and infalible though are:

    1. Context.
    2. Context.
    3. Context.

    MDM

     
  • At 7/05/2006 05:10:00 pm, Blogger Live, Love, Laugh said…

    wow this was a great post and the comments were good too! I love these discussions and agree with you on all points.

     
  • At 7/06/2006 10:26:00 pm, Blogger Joe said…

    The Bible is God's revelation of His character and His love for His creation and His plan for its redemption.

    Everything we need to know about God is in the Word of God. Nothing we need to know about God is NOT found in the Word of God and everything we THINK we know about God that is not in the Word of God we just made up.

    And that includes traditions of amn, against which we are cautioned in Colossians.

    I think you wrote a fine post!

     
  • At 7/08/2006 12:49:00 pm, Blogger Modern Day Magi said…

    "everything we THINK we know about God that is not in the Word of God we just made up."

    thanks joe.

    MDM

     
  • At 7/10/2006 01:19:00 pm, Blogger Ben Eames said…

    "None of the things in the bible have any importance if they did not actually happen. If Adam did not sin, then sin has not entered the world and we don't need a saviour."

    On the contrary....

    Once upon a time, a man went on a holiday. Before he left, he gave to each of his two servants sums of money, which he told them to look after. When he came back, one of them had doubled the sum, and one had hidden it because he was too scared to risk anything. That servant got fired.

    This story is not true, but it still has importance, because it reflects real life and makes a wise point.

    To say that something has to be true to be important is to discount the vast wealth of wisdom contained in myths, songs, epic tales, parables, paintings, movies, novels, jokes etc. etc. etc. There are many more ways to communicate truth than just with facts.

    If the story of Adam & Eve were a myth, it would not follow that there is no sin in the world. It would only mean that the story of Adam & Eve is a myth. And if it were a myth, the point would still be to tell us truths about God - that he made the beautiful world, and that the pride of humans broke it.

    We could also still see that sin is in the world just by looking around us. God's voice is not limited to the Bible, and is certainly not limited to "statements of fact". He is the source of all creativity, as we can see by looking at Jesus' methods.

    We have to treat each part of the Bible based on the style of literature it is. If it is written as historical fact (such as the gospels), than of course we can take it as that. If it is written in the style of a myth, than we should take it as such. If poetry, than as poetry. If written as a personal letter to a friend, than take it as that. If written in the style of a textbook (e.g. parts of Paul's letters), than we can read it as such.

    We need to study our Bibles and the culture more carefully.

     
  • At 7/10/2006 03:39:00 pm, Blogger Modern Day Magi said…

    ahhhh ben,
    but Jesus actually said that parable. A cheeky distinction I know but just because the bible is true and everything in it actually happened, does not mean we should ever interpret a figurative parable as literal or a literal even as being merely rhetorical or alegorical in any way.

    I agree almost totally with you final poaragraph. "We have to treat each part of the Bible based on the style of literature it is..." I do however not believe there is any mythical accounts in the Bible. Myth implies a fabricated tale pretending to be true, ie Greek or Roman mythology.

    My first post of these two deals with this very topic. The paragraphs after the purple heading "This does not imply..." deal with the importance of understanding literary style and focus and context of Biblical passages before using them to build a doctorine or code of ethics.

    MDM

     
  • At 7/17/2006 12:36:00 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    MDM, please explain what you mean by "inerrant", because I think it can mean two different things.
    Scripture does have what I believe are inconsistencies.
    a) How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
    22 in 2 Kings 8:26
    42 in 2 Chron 22:2

    or

    b)
    KI2 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

    CH2 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

    These are, of course, minor little things that have nothing to do with doctrine whatsoever, although there are many other passages that have similar issues. BUT, they point to a certain potential for errors in transcription.

    Can you explain how we must reconcile such things with one's understanding of "inerrancy"?

    Many thanks!

    - TDK

     
  • At 7/17/2006 04:14:00 pm, Blogger Modern Day Magi said…

    thanks for stopping by TDK,

    The age of Ahaziah is only different (as far as I can tell) in the KJV, all other translations I checked, including the NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV, AMP, TNIV, NLT etc have him 22 in both passages. This would suggest a clerical error either in the translation of the KJV or the Textus Receptus, from which the KJV was translated.

    When Jehoiachin became king is more evenly divided between the translations. Some having him 18 in both, some having him 18 in 2 kings and 8 in 2 chron. Most translations have footnotes saying what the other reading from 2 chron is and that there are multiple texts to suppport the other option as well. It is my belief that he was 18.

    This is a classic example of why textural criticism is an important field of study. My other post on this topic Is the Bible the inspired and infallible Word of God? deals more with the claim that the Bible is infallible. As far back as Augustine there was distinction made between the original transcripts of Scripture and copies though. Augustine wrote:

    "If, in one of these books, I stumble accross something which seems opposed to the truth, I have no hesitation in saying that either my copy is faulty or the translator has not fully grasped what was said, or else I myself have not fully understood."

    It is my belief that only the original manuscripts of Scripture were inspired and thus only they are infallible. This is why I am an advocate of using multiple translations for biblical study and research. That said, the majority of modern translations are great and as you say the clerical errors in the Bible or aparent contradictions are "minor little things that have nothing to do with doctrine whatsoever." The Lord has preserved His Gospel and Word inspite of human fallibility.

    I am not an expert on biblical translation or the original languages. The guys at the Better Bibles Blog would be in a better position than me to answer these questions.

    MDM

     
  • At 7/17/2006 04:27:00 pm, Blogger Modern Day Magi said…

  • At 7/29/2006 11:01:00 am, Blogger Ben Eames said…

    I have some questions for you, MDM...

    If the Bible did contain errors, would you still believe in God?

    Does the Bible need to be free of all errors to be true? Interesting that Eastern Christians don't have any problems with inerrancy etc. This is a Western - scientific, rational - concept. In our world, science and reason (eg. inerrancy and infallibility) are the highest form of truth, so we reason that God must line up to them. We hold up OUR standard of 'excellence' and make God conform to it.

    But this is the wrong way around. We should be defining our standards by God, not reason or science. God is God, and everything else is less.

    If God were dishonest, than it would be Godly to be dishonest. If a characteristic of God was injustice, than it would be Godly to be unjust. If God were not love but hate, than hate would be a Godly characteristic. If the Bible contained errors, would that mean God is not God? No, it would just mean the Bible has errors, and we would have to study it more carefully.

    Sometimes we place God's characteristics above God himself, and make him conform to them (or we place our own standards on God). But the truth is, they are only good characteristics in the first place because they are God's.

    My question again: does the Bible really claim to be free of errors, or are we just trying to make God conform to what WE think is important?

    Does it really matter if there are some small mistakes in the Bible? We have far more than enough to work out the important things.

     
  • At 8/26/2006 07:38:00 pm, Blogger Modern Day Magi said…

    "If the Bible did contain errors, would you still believe in God?"

    It depends what type of errors you assume are in the Bible.

    Translation creates error, it is that simple. I believe that only the Original scriptures were inspired, the Bible we have today is the preserved Scripture and the Preserved Word of God. This is why I advocate using multiple translations for Bible study and quiet times.

    There is nothing in the Bible that will lead into deception when taken in the context of the rest of the Bible and any ethical or moral or theological or doctrinal belief which is based on the Scripture alone, rather than the traditions of men will lead to God's truth and will lead away from error.

    There are no errors in the Scripture, but (and I expect you to pick at this but it is what I believe) where humans are involved there are errors. The Scripture is truth, our interpretations or misunderstandings of Scriptures are the cracks where error can come into doctorine / theology.

    Hope I'm somewhat clearer than mud. To sum up though, If I say something that is inconsistant with sound Scriptural reading, then I am wrong and Scripture is right (I have had to change my mind on various things over the years because of this, and still I am not perfect in my understanding), I apply the same rule to everyone else. Scripture is the Word of God and is true, if a view conflicts with Scripture then it is ungodly and wrong.

    MDM

     

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